Money, Happiness, Realtor.com, and Spaniels.

During my study of happiness, I’ve noticed that I often learn more from one person’s highly idiosyncratic experiences than I do from sources that detail universal principles or cite up-to-date studies. There’s something peculiarly compelling and instructive about hearing other people’s happiness stories.

Laura Rowley has written extensively on one of the most fascinating, complex issues within the large subject of happiness: the relationship between money and happiness. Her book, Money and Happiness, examines the relationship between money and happiness, and how to spend money to reflect your values. On her popular, engaging Yahoo! Finance column, Money and Happiness, she writes frequently about money and how you can use it to build a happier life – or not. Not only that – she has a Masters of Divinity from New York Theological Seminary and teaches a class on Contemporary Moral Values at Seton Hall University.

When a friend offered to introduce us, I couldn’t wait to meet Laura. I also asked her to do a happiness interview, because I was very curious to learn even more about her views.

Gretchen: What’s a simple activity that consistently makes you happier?
Laura: Eavesdropping on my kids in the back of the car. You can’t be unhappy listening to a debate about how Santa actually circumnavigates the planet in 24 hours; whether, if you had a superpower, it would be better to be able to fly or turn invisible, or who has kissed who in the kindergarten class. Also, hitting the “send” key when I email a column to my editor before the deadline does wonders for my well-being.

What’s something you know now about happiness that you didn’t know when you were 18 years old?
That it’s both a marathon and a sprint -- a long-term investment in your values and a daily discipline. That you may not have control over what happens to you, but you have complete control over your attitude about what happens to you, and that can make or break your happiness.

Is there anything you find yourself doing repeatedly that gets in the way of your happiness?
Surfing realtor.com. Real estate voyeurism is the fast track to envy and misery.

Is there a happiness mantra or motto that you’ve find very helpful? (e.g., I remind myself to “Be Gretchen.”) Or a happiness quotation that has struck you as particularly insightful? Or a particular book that has stayed with you?
I read and re-read a textbook called Well-Being: The Foundations of Hedonic Psychology by Daniel Kahneman, Ed Diener and Norbert Schwarz. But then I am a total science geek. I also keep a couple mantras taped to my office wall:

Nothing can stop a man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal. Nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong attitude. –Thomas Jefferson

Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom. –Viktor Frankl

Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don’t matter and those who matter don’t mind. –Dr. Seuss

If you’re feeling blue, how do you give yourself a happiness boost? Or, like a “comfort food,” do you have a comfort activity?
I try to create a diversion: Call my sisters; go running; read; go to Carvel with my husband and the kids and order a sundae (followed by more running). Or I’ll dive into a simple chore with a quick payoff -- preparing for an interview, cleaning off my desk or even folding a basket of laundry gives me a minor sense of accomplishment (I may not feel happy but at least I feel productive).

Is there anything that you see people around you doing or saying that adds a lot to their happiness, or detracts a lot from their happiness?
I recommend not watching the money porn channels when the Dow is plummeting, although many people do the opposite. Ditto on selling stocks low and buying high.

Have you always felt about the same level of happiness, or have you been through a period when you felt exceptionally happy or unhappy – if so, why? If you were unhappy, how did you become happier?
My junior year in college my doctor prescribed Accutane, the powerful medication for acne, which had just come on the market. I tumbled into a severe depression that finally lifted after I stopped taking the drug; years later the research came out linking Accutane to depression. In his book The Heart of the Buddha's Teaching, the monk Thich Nhat Hanh writes: “When I have a toothache, I discover that not having a toothache is a wonderful thing. I had to have a toothache in order to be enlightened, to know that not having one is wonderful. My nontoothache is peace, is joy. But when I do not have a toothache, I do not seem to be happy. Therefore, I look deeply in the present moment and see that I have a nontoothache; that can make me very happy already.” That experience gave me a lot of empathy for people experiencing depression, and helps realize how lucky I am – it’s my “nontoothache.”

Do you work on being happier? If so, how?
All the time; I’m lucky to have a job where I get to interview psychologists, behavioral economists and authors about well-being (mainly in relation to money and work). I always experiment with what I learn. I am currently employing strategies from Winifred Gallagher’s new book, Rapt: Attention and the Focused Life. Choosing what to pay attention to really can have a powerful effect on your well-being.

Have you ever been surprised that something you expected would make you very happy, didn’t – or vice versa?
When my oldest daughter Anne was five I promised she could have a dog when she turned 11 (assuming that pledge would be forgotten and float away in the parental-promise ether). She reminded me every year on her birthday. Having never owned a dog, I envisioned an onerous responsibility, an extra expense, a nuisance, a mess. When Anne turned 11, we adopted a year-old spaniel named Sammy from a family who had to give her up. I have never been more wrong about anything in my life. I am absolutely crazy about that dog. She makes us all better people.

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Comments

[Steve @ Freedom Education]

Hi Laura,

I was thinking the same thing when my wife came to me and said she would like a new dog - a spaniel for her 30th birthday. I've never had a dog before and wasn't looking forward to cleaning up messes and being responsible for a new pet.

And I'm so glad to hear you say that it has been a great joy in your life. Thanks Laura,

[Katie]

How funny. One of my work breaks I often allow myself is to surf realtor.com for a few minutes, and it perks me up. I'm happy in my current house, but I love looking at the pics of old houses in other locations or seeing what's available in other cities if/when we move.

[Positively Present]

Ah, how interesting that we both wrote about money and happiness today! (In fact, I referenced your website in my post more than once!) This was a great interview and I really enjoyed learning more about Laura. Her insights are wonderful and her book sounds great. I'm definitely going to pick up a copy of it soon. Thanks for sharing this interview...great stuff!

[Lexi]

Love the part about the toothache. Too true!

[HappinessnLove]

The Non-Toothache part is too good.I call it the Gratitude Ritual but i like Non-Toothache much better :-)
Also doing a quick job with immediate payoff like doing the laundry helps me feel better too.....
Great post!!!

[Cynthia Tzavaras]

All great info, Gretchen. BTW, what kind of spaniel would you recommend as the sweetest and easiest?
From a closet doggy owner!

[Recipes for Creativity]

What a great interview, I really enjoyed that. I especially love where she talks about the "non toothache". That's such a great reminder; When part of me is in pain I'm always so thankful when it's over, but then I forget to be thankful every day when my parts all feel good!

[Maggie]

I LOVED this interview. What a great sense of humor and happiness. I think my happiness quotient is very like Laura's. I love listening to children's conversations... such simple and happy logic, surfing realtor.com would totally bum me out (I've never done it) and I've always believed in the happiness of pet ownership. In my 46-years-long life, I've never gone petless for more than 6 months. Gotta go find me a copy of her book! Thanks for the tip!

[Nomi]

Too funny! I read this post originally on slate.com, intrigued by the headline they used there: "Realtor.com Is the Fast Track to Envy and Misery." After reading the mini-interview with Laura, I thought I'd check out realtor.com and -- surprise! it made me happy! Why? Because I own (part of) a house in an inflated market, DC-Baltimore, and I'm thinking of relocating after retirement to an area I think is beautiful and much prefer the climate of -- Finger Lakes region of NY. For what I could get for my cramped teensy house on a miniscule, dark lot in a DC suburb, I could buy a spacious cottage on a sunny, garden-able acre _on a lakefront!_ Holy crap! This may quite change my retirement plans. It has definitely brightened my day.