My Experiments in the Practice of Everyday Life

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Make Sure the “Fun” is Fun for YOU.

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One of my Secrets of Adulthood is “What’s fun for other people may not be fun for you — and vice versa.” This sounds simple, but it actually was a huge breakthrough for me. So many things that other people consider “fun” are not fun for me, and it took me an astonishingly long time to realize that. Drinking alcohol, shopping, most games…I just don’t enjoy those activities.

Even now, I have to remind myself that people go skiing because they honestly want to go skiing, not because they are made from a sterner moral fiber than I.

I’ve realized, too, that it’s important to think about this in the context of my family. If I want to have fun with my family, I need to make sure that we’re doing activities that — at least some of the time — are honestly fun for me. Otherwise, I just get bored and try to end things – or even sneak away. Was it Jerry Seinfeld who said, “There’s no such thing as fun for the whole family?” Well, I’m trying.

For example, my four-year-old is constantly begging us to read to her. I was getting so bored with Frog and Toad and the like that I was making excuses.

Then it occurred to me – why not read something I like, too? I don’t have much appreciation for Little Bear anymore, not after the tenth reading, but I love children’s literature. Surely there’s something we can both enjoy.

She’s not ready for The Golden Compass, of course, and she’s not even ready for Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH, but first we read the All-of-a-Kind Family books, and now we’re working our way through Mary Poppins. I love those books, and it has made a huge difference in my willingness to read to my daughter. It’s fun for me to read those books, too!

Obviously, as a parent, I can’t follow this rule all the time. My children enjoy things that aren’t much fun for me, so I get my fun vicariously, by watching their fun. But I’ve decided to try to steer our activities more to things that we all find fun, because then I’m so much more enthusiastic.

(Of course, it’s possible to run, then, into the opposite problem: something is so fun for me that being with my children ruins the fun. If I really want to see an exhibit, say, I can’t go with my two children. I just won’t be able to concentrate. But I could go myself, and then return with them.)

One of the great mysteries of happiness is – why is it so hard to “Be Gretchen”? Why is it so hard to know my own likes and dislikes? It seems that nothing should be more obvious than the question of what I find fun, yet I have to think hard about this, all the time. (On the subject of fun, here are the three types of fun.)

This principle doesn’t only apply to children; fun with your sweetheart, fun with your family, fun with your friends, fun with your co-workers. Have you found any good ways to have fun with others that’s also fun for you?

* I loved Twyla Tharp’s book, The Creative Habit: Learn It and Use It For Life, and Jesse Kornbluth (also known as Head Butler) is a friend, so I can’t wait to read the book that they worked on together: The Collaborative Habit: Life Lessons for Working Together.

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  • http://julieduffy.com/ Julie

    Maybe it’s inevitable at this time of year, but I was JUST thinking about this stuff this morning. Thanks for writing it too, because now I feel like I’m not alone ;)

  • vickiefeminist

    Dustin Hoffman said of skiing he did not like being wet in the cold. I love cross country skiing but believe the secret is in having plelnty of superwarm clothing and a skiing buddy who likes a short adventure.

  • http://www.taracronica.com Jacquie

    Many of the things I find fun are not appreciated by my friends or family and so I do them alone, which I don’t mind. Strolling through art galleries, power walking for an hour to get a Starbucks, watching Amazing Race. It would be more fun with a partner, but only if they really seemed to be enjoying it. Nothing’s worse than doing something you enjoy and feeling like you’re forcing others to follow. Better to go it alone.

  • http://www.sweetbrowndog.com/ Scott Bravard

    I’ve been thinking about this subject a lot lately, in the context of self-assessment and “finding myself.” Many of my interests are a little obscure (for example, I don’t meet a lot of Keith Jarrett fans), but I try to share them with others when I get the chance. I’ve known parents who lost interest in their kids when they didn’t share common interests, so you’re doing the right thing by finding books that you and your daughter both enjoy. Years from now your daughter will look back with great fondness on the time you spent reading to her.

  • CindyMorefield

    Such a great reminder, re: fun. Thanks so much for the tip about Twyla Tharp’s new book – first I’d heard.

  • Rob_Mk_II

    I don’t feel that I have a problem knowing what’s fun for me while doing it; the closest problem I have is not being able to guess whether or not something would be fun without trying it. That leads to situations where I have to push myself to try new things once in a while. Sometimes they’re enough fun that they end up replacing some other activity, and sometimes they’re not. But to pursue a goal of increasing fun, I therefore have to invest a certain amount of effort in experiment.

    Your observation about steering things toward things you can be enthusiastic about echoes my experience; it’s also a key toward doing some fairly difficult things. I needed to take up an exercise program a few years ago, for example, which got a lot easier once I experimented enough to find something that I enjoyed doing and that kept me moving.

  • Patty

    This is so true. I recently realized that I was doing most things because someone else wanted to do it, and I was usually ashamed that I didn’t want to do those things. Eg: I used to go camping in my teen years and young adult years because a friend of mine loved to do it. I had convinced myself that I loved it to. Only very recently I realized that I found it boring & dirty and now I only go once every few years. And I don’t feel at all ashamed. I am living my life 90% for me now. If I don’t feel like doing it, I generally don’t do it and in the process I have found friends who enjoy doing a lot of the same activities as I do and it makes my days a lot more enjoyable.
    Thanks for the post Gretchen!! I am an avid follower!
    Patty

    • gretchenrubin

      It’s surprising to me how easy it is to lose sight of what is “fun” for me.
      You get swept up in other people’s enthusiasm — and that can be a great
      thing, to a point, as long as you realize that’s what’s going on. Sometimes
      you actually do catch an enthusiasm — but at least in my experience, that’s
      rarer than people sometimes expect.

  • travelinoma

    We read so many books in the car that my husband and I loved as much as the kids: “Hatchett” “Boxcar Children” “All of a Kind Family” “Black Beauty” “Fifteen.” I think the idea is to stretch out of our own comfort zone and discover new things to enjoy BECAUSE our loved ones enjoy that thing. Not everything. You won’t find me hiking Grand Canyon, but I can read “Hatchett” and help them get psyched for their adventure on the drive down, do my thing, and compare adventures on the way back. It doesn’t take conflict to discover family fun. Just a little give and take and some combinations.

  • actuary

    This reminds me of that great scene in Mystic Pizza where Annabeth Gish, the smart one headed for Yale, is asked about fun. She says something like, “My kind of fun would bore you.”

    • gretchenrubin

      Zoikes, that is SO TRUE for me. I’m such an unadventurous bookworm.

    • Judy

      Wow, love that statement, maybe I can remember that next time someone ask if I am depressed staying home or not traveling or whatever….thanks!

  • http://positivelypresent.com Positively Present

    Love that you’re discussing this truth right now — it’s such an important one with the holidays and everyone wanting to do what’s fun for them. Great post about it!

  • EscapeVelocity

    So true. I have just been shopping for shoes, which apparently as a woman I’m supposed to enjoy somehow–do most women just not have nerves in their feet or something?

  • http://www.famousarchitect.blogspot.com/ conrad

    Great post. I sometimes think this way but feel guilty for doing it. But as you said
    “But I’ve decided to try to steer our activities more to things that we all find fun, because then I’m so much more enthusiastic.”

    Its about sincerity.

  • allwomenstalker

    Great points. But sometimes, we never know that something is not fun for us unless we try it.

    -meream

  • http://twitter.com/marketingfails Paul L’Acosta

    Amazing post Gretchen as I sometimes feel too (like most of the other comments) as if I’m alone for not liking this or that since others so much do. Case in point, TV: most of my friends can sit down for hours in front of their TVs. Me? I just dislike even trying to find the control to turn it on.

    The way I see it is that by staying away from it I’m adding something valuable to my life (by writing on this post, for example) than watching commercials with a little show here or there. The good thing is that I always have something interesting to say or add to a conversation. Otherwise I’d be watching a commercial spot where I’m adding value to somebody else’s pockets. Thanks! –Paul

  • brainygirl

    This is such a good one, Gretchen…
    I’ve spent most of my life doing what I thought other people wanted to do, particularly in relationships. I became “interested” in hockey, politics, Ayn Rand, triathlon, etc…all because of a boy.
    The problem is what to do when there IS no real way to have fun because you can’t get what you want. My birthday was this past Thursday (yes, Thanksgiving) and it truly sucked because I couldn’t spend it with friends, I couldn’t go out to a great restaurant, and I ended up going to an awful dinner with my supposed “boyfriend” where everyone was semi-comatose and watching Home Alone and football.
    I’m breaking up with the boyfriend and should have gone out to dinner by myself or with my mom.
    I was just looking for something “perfect” which would be “fun” and I couldn’t sort out what I wanted…

    SIGH…

    If you can’t figure out what it is that you want in the first place, it’s very hard to be happy…

  • brainygirl

    This is a good one, Gretchen…

    I’ve spent most of my life adjusting my sense of fun to those around me, particularly in relationships. I’ve become “interested” in hockey, politics, Ayn Rand, triathlon, etc…because I thought if I did what this other person wanted, I, too, would “have fun” but invariably always ended up miserable, because they never adopted the same attitude.

    A difficult situation arises when it’s nearly impossible to have fun because you just can’t do what you want. It was my birthday on Thursday (yes, Thanksgiving, total disaster) and I couldn’t do what I wanted to do, see friends, go out to a nice restaurant, etc…Instead I went to an awful dinner with my supposed “boyfriend” where people were semi-comatose, watching Home Alone and football. It was certainly the least fun I have had in as long as I can remember.

    SIGH. I should have ditched the boyfriend (doing that now), and gone to dinner with my mom, but I was looking for the perfect experience of what I thought would be fun – having a real relationship and partner to spend time with means “it doesn’t matter what you do, it’s who you do it with…” right?
    Sort of true, but definitely not in this case…

  • http://www.uncertainchange.com/ Tomas Stonkus

    Dear Gretchen:

    I completely agree with what you are saying: “What’s fun for other people may not be fun for you — and vice versa.” I have struggled with for a long time too.

    When I was in college, it was all about drinking, watching football, going out, etc. I did all of those things, but I did not know why I did them. They had no meaning for me. I had different activities and ideas for fun, but I did not seem to find anybody else who was on the same page as me. So I conformed and did for fun what everybody else was doing to fit in.

    Soon enough I realized that I did not enjoy all of those things and I had my own way of having fun. Then I realized that it was more about being yourself and accepting yourself for who you are. That was a huge breakthrough for me.

    It was then when I realized that I could do what I wanted to do without looking around for what everybody else is doing. I think the reason why so many people turn activities that every body else is doing is because of the desire to fit in.

    Realizing that you don’t have to fit, makes you feel at easy and comfortable with yourself, which in turns to increased sense of worth and confidence.

    Thank you for a great thought.

    Best,
    Tomas

  • http://SourcesOfInsight.com/ J.D. Meier

    Knowing what floats your boat is a beautiful way to balance any people pleasing instincts. A little awareness, and a lot more mindfulness, can go a long way.

  • http://www.kimandjason.com Jason of Kim & Jason

    This is such a great reminder, Gretchen. When you’re supposed to be an ambassador of fun, it can be quite a guilt trip when you’re not as enthused about activities that other people consider fun. Skiing is a good example of this. Bungee jumping and big holiday parties are a few more for me. Kind of like beauty, fun is in the eye of the beholder.

  • http://www.lolalina.com/ Laura Gaskill

    Ha! Reading this post was certainly a fun way for me to start my morning, so thank you for that :D

    You’ve inspired me to take a little personal inventory in my journal of things I honestly enjoy — and list-making, by the way, is definitely on my list of things I like to do that others may not enjoy!

  • Susan

    I love the message behind this post. I find just about every children’s movie to be just excrutiatingly boring! I love the thought of settling in with my two sweet children, and husband, to watch a great kid’s movie, but the reality is that after about 10 minutes, I’m thinking about other things and wander away after about 20 minutes. I have no problem sitting still for things I’m interested in, however.

    Gretchen, have you tried reading the Laura Ingalls Wilder books aloud to your kids? I did, to my boys when they were much younger and we all really enjoyed them. The language is simple enough for even young children to follow, and the stories are exciting but not scary. Plus, there are lots of them to work your way through.

    I really enjoy your writing and can’t wait to buy your book.

    • gretchenrubin

      I LOVE Laura Ingalls Wilder beyond measure. Each of those books is a
      masterpiece.

      If you like audio books, listening to Cherry Jones read the Little House
      books is such a delight. She is the PERFECT person to do it and captures
      them so well.

      So many kids’ movies are great! Have you tried to find ones that appeal to
      you, too? Shrek, for instance. How many times have we watched it? And I love
      it more each time.

  • Judy

    I was so happy to hear other people on this earth who’s fun is different from most! Shopping, lunches out, hot bubble baths, games, golf and Cosmopolotins may make many happy but they do not make me happy. And what I really object to is other people who think because these things do not make me happy means I must be depressed or just a miserable person. Although I can enjoy those things occasionally I find my true happiness in my home!! I am a homebody, I love to read,read and read. I enjoy all my grandchildren for a sleep over, walks alone, raising roses and time to just sit on my front porch swing my husband built for me. Granted I am older and all my dreams have come true so now I just want to cherish what I have and be grateful I made it this far:-) What I wish Gretchen is people could come up with more Happy Ideas To Do because every magazine list the same ole same ole…….bubble bath, glass of wine, out to lunch with girlfriends and pet a dog. Could it be my age and I have already done those things and now just being a contented woman fills my happy place?

  • Judy

    One more thing Gretchen, often times why it is difficult to do what is fun for ourselves is when we are honest, others think we are selfish. When I have been honest and said “I don’t enjoy going out for breakfast, I prefer to sleep in so go ahead and enjoy yourselves.” (a comment I hear often when traveling with others.) One person said “You certainly do what YOU want to do don’t you?” Which means “I don’t want to do what THEY want to do!!”haha I get this a lot and it is from Adults. No wonder we try to please because we don’t want to feel selfish which is what they are saying. It is easier with children, when I tell my grandchildren, “go ahead and play that without me and when your ready for a story I will read to you because reading is fun for Grandma.” Children are happy to see you happy.
    Thank goodness for small favors:-)

  • Queen Lucia

    Gretchen, I really enjoy your posts on this particular topic especially. I’m something of a sponge, so when someone writes or talks eloquently about something they love, I tend to imagine myself doing the same thing. Surfing? Sure! Raising pure bred dogs? Sounds wonderful! Crafting? You make it sound great! Of course, I don’t actually get to the doing part, but there’s plenty of thinking and beating myself up for not being more “interesting” “fun” and “adventurous.” I’ve spent years being flaky about attending parties that a friend throws, and feeling like a terrible friend, anti-social shut-in, big old meany, until I finally realized that I dislike large, noisy parties with people I don’t know – I prefer smaller gatherings. Now I can be more upfront with her when she issues invitations. I don’t have to do it all, but I SHOULD do what I love.

  • Jeanette

    So happy I read this today. I have been feeling I’m doing what is fun for everyone around me and never take the time to do something fun for me. Right now I’m not even sure what I find fun.

  • Majbritt JOHANSSON

    onterioe magic!